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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://helenhwang.net/2008/04/what-do-you-want-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-405</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 06:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No mention of Tiananmen, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No mention of Tiananmen, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://helenhwang.net/2008/04/what-do-you-want-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-406</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found out many American friends think they are the only correct, knowledgeable humnan right inteprete for UN HUmany right &quot;clause&quot;. Granted China has many issues, but are we really know the details? Many people barely know where China is but as long as you use Human right as a Motiviator, they agree with you on anything negative about China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found out many American friends think they are the only correct, knowledgeable humnan right inteprete for UN HUmany right &#8220;clause&#8221;. Granted China has many issues, but are we really know the details? Many people barely know where China is but as long as you use Human right as a Motiviator, they agree with you on anything negative about China.</p>
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		<title>By: charlie</title>
		<link>http://helenhwang.net/2008/04/what-do-you-want-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-407</link>
		<dc:creator>charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with Anikó.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have to add, though, that I think the position of some Western leaders IS hypocritical, because they are responsible for human rights abuses and global warming as well. I&#039;d also like to suggest that one reason they can get away with the hypocrisy more easily is simple racism. The &#039;yellow peril&#039; label alluded to early in the piece was a shameful characterization of China in the 19th and early 20th Century, but the racism behind it hasn&#039;t disappeared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with Anikó.</p>
<p>I have to add, though, that I think the position of some Western leaders IS hypocritical, because they are responsible for human rights abuses and global warming as well. I&#8217;d also like to suggest that one reason they can get away with the hypocrisy more easily is simple racism. The &#8216;yellow peril&#8217; label alluded to early in the piece was a shameful characterization of China in the 19th and early 20th Century, but the racism behind it hasn&#8217;t disappeared.</p>
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		<title>By: Aniko</title>
		<link>http://helenhwang.net/2008/04/what-do-you-want-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-408</link>
		<dc:creator>Aniko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of excellent points in that article about China&#039;s development and her increasing role in the world and the world&#039;s response to this, and the irony in those points is loud and clear. However, there&#039;s a part in there where the point-counterpoint structure becomes a trick that ultimately fails to cover up what China is currently actually criticized for--notice it doesn&#039;t say anywhere &quot;when we tried democracy...&quot; or &quot;when we tried autonomy for Tibet...&quot; Those are the issues at hand, and none of the rest addresses them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, my main point is that the whole idea of &quot;we&quot; and &quot;you&quot; is wrong. The situation in Tibet and the other human rights issues are not the Chinese people&#039;s fault. People are not morally responsible for everything their country does--for things that their government does, or even for things that a large number of their compatriots do. They&#039;re only responsible for what they themselves do. Therefore Chinese people should not feel personally attacked when someone speaks about Tibet, unless they themselves support the official Chinese policy there, and similarly--I disagree with Stephanie here--Americans or other Westerners do not as individuals lose the right to have an opinion about China just because our own countries are far from perfect. (In fact, the people who are concerned about Tibet might well be the same ones who are concerned about Iraq and America&#039;s role there.) Talking about hypocrisy in these cases seems to assume collective guilt, which is not a concept with a particularly pretty track record. If I suggest Chinese people shouldn&#039;t drive cars while I drive everywhere, that&#039;s hypocrisy; if I say China should move toward a more democratic government and should change its repressive policy toward Tibet, it&#039;s not, I think, even if my own government does things that I also disagree with.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To see the dangers of this &quot;you have no right to criticize&quot; argument, look at Mugabe: he eliminated any semblance of freedom of press or assembly, gave the land taken from white farmers to his own cronies, did nothing to help the poor but caused a previously prosperous economy to collapse, creating famine and massive migration to neighboring countries, and then started murdering political opponents and destroying the houses of people who voted against him to displace them. If anyone from a Western country, indeed any white person, pointed any of this out, he screamed about the old colonial powers and how they had no right to criticize anyone. If any of his African neighbors criticized him, he claimed they were beholden to the old colonial powers. Surely these are not valid moral arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of excellent points in that article about China&#8217;s development and her increasing role in the world and the world&#8217;s response to this, and the irony in those points is loud and clear. However, there&#8217;s a part in there where the point-counterpoint structure becomes a trick that ultimately fails to cover up what China is currently actually criticized for&#8211;notice it doesn&#8217;t say anywhere &#8220;when we tried democracy&#8230;&#8221; or &#8220;when we tried autonomy for Tibet&#8230;&#8221; Those are the issues at hand, and none of the rest addresses them.</p>
<p>However, my main point is that the whole idea of &#8220;we&#8221; and &#8220;you&#8221; is wrong. The situation in Tibet and the other human rights issues are not the Chinese people&#8217;s fault. People are not morally responsible for everything their country does&#8211;for things that their government does, or even for things that a large number of their compatriots do. They&#8217;re only responsible for what they themselves do. Therefore Chinese people should not feel personally attacked when someone speaks about Tibet, unless they themselves support the official Chinese policy there, and similarly&#8211;I disagree with Stephanie here&#8211;Americans or other Westerners do not as individuals lose the right to have an opinion about China just because our own countries are far from perfect. (In fact, the people who are concerned about Tibet might well be the same ones who are concerned about Iraq and America&#8217;s role there.) Talking about hypocrisy in these cases seems to assume collective guilt, which is not a concept with a particularly pretty track record. If I suggest Chinese people shouldn&#8217;t drive cars while I drive everywhere, that&#8217;s hypocrisy; if I say China should move toward a more democratic government and should change its repressive policy toward Tibet, it&#8217;s not, I think, even if my own government does things that I also disagree with.</p>
<p>To see the dangers of this &#8220;you have no right to criticize&#8221; argument, look at Mugabe: he eliminated any semblance of freedom of press or assembly, gave the land taken from white farmers to his own cronies, did nothing to help the poor but caused a previously prosperous economy to collapse, creating famine and massive migration to neighboring countries, and then started murdering political opponents and destroying the houses of people who voted against him to displace them. If anyone from a Western country, indeed any white person, pointed any of this out, he screamed about the old colonial powers and how they had no right to criticize anyone. If any of his African neighbors criticized him, he claimed they were beholden to the old colonial powers. Surely these are not valid moral arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie B</title>
		<link>http://helenhwang.net/2008/04/what-do-you-want-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-409</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have I mentioned before hypocrisy makes me ill. I&#039;d be so much happier if my country would clean it&#039;s own house before setting up the critique.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As long as so many are dependent on China (and we are), I&#039;m afraid you can&#039;t win with us, but I think that&#039;s where much of the problem is, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have I mentioned before hypocrisy makes me ill. I&#8217;d be so much happier if my country would clean it&#8217;s own house before setting up the critique.</p>
<p>As long as so many are dependent on China (and we are), I&#8217;m afraid you can&#8217;t win with us, but I think that&#8217;s where much of the problem is, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Bert B</title>
		<link>http://helenhwang.net/2008/04/what-do-you-want-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-410</link>
		<dc:creator>Bert B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a wonderful piece. It really sends a message that all Americans should think about, long and hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a wonderful piece. It really sends a message that all Americans should think about, long and hard.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does China care what Westerners want?</description>
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		<title>By: Debra B</title>
		<link>http://helenhwang.net/2008/04/what-do-you-want-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-412</link>
		<dc:creator>Debra B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damned if you do. Damned if you don&#039;t. Well said!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damned if you do. Damned if you don&#8217;t. Well said!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe T</title>
		<link>http://helenhwang.net/2008/04/what-do-you-want-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-413</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Sandy K</title>
		<link>http://helenhwang.net/2008/04/what-do-you-want-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-414</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing like being put in a no-win situation. Thanks for publishing this, Helen. It stings to see us through the eyes of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing like being put in a no-win situation. Thanks for publishing this, Helen. It stings to see us through the eyes of others.</p>
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